Automotive Vibration Analyzers – Part 3 of 5 – MTS 4000/4100

Automotive Vibration Analyzers – Part 3 of 5 – MTS 4000/4100


this video is part three in a five-part series on automotive vibration analyzers in this episode we will be covering the V Tronics MTS 4000 NVH analyzer this analyzer came out actually back in the mid to late 90s it was used by Chrysler filled service engineers for Diagnostics and it had software on it at the time dedicated to Chrysler Dodge vehicles and then the kit was made available to the aftermarket and also available available through Ford and wrote the Rotunda tool supplier and I purchased this one back in 2008 was actually when I got this one I think I said in the first episode of this series that I bought it in 2007 but I bought this in 2008 and in my in the first episode of this series I said that I was really upset because this tool which cost close to $4,000 had software that expired after two years and I was not very happy with that and when I called to renew the software that I did not even know I had to renew when I purchased it nobody told me that the cost to renew it for just one more year was around $300 and I thought that was ridiculous and so I refused to do it and so that would have been in 2010 when it expired and so it’s just pretty much been sitting on my shelf since 2010 and I get it out every once in the world to show my students how aggravating it is to been misled in my opinion by a company that sells you a tool without letting you know oh by the way this is going to quit working in in two years so when I decided to talk about it in this five-part series I was pretty sure that I was just going to tell you that it that it didn’t work and show you the screen that says it the software is expired and so uh just a couple of days ago I decided well I better call and make sure that it’s still the same policy you still have to pay to get the update and I called the Ford rotunda tool program people and they said well give me your email address I’ll send you some information on what to do and so I did and I never got any email sent to me which was kind of surprising but they they got me thinking and so I searched on the internet to see if somebody else had run into this problem because several years ago when I searched for the same thing I couldn’t find anything but now I found all kinds of things on the internet about updating this software and there was actually a link to a PDF document on the Ford website and this document tells you how to downloads download some software for a firmware update for this MTX 4000 and it actually changes it to the mts 4100 and the mts 4100 does not have expiring software and so I thought oh fantastic I wonder if this still works and actually it says across the are in the first two paragraph here effective April of 2013 there is no longer a requirement to purchase the license to run the MTS 4000 NVH analyzer for dealerships can download a file that will update the MTS 4000 to an MTS 4100 that will not require a license once the MTS 4000 or MTS 4100 unit is updated to an MTS 4000 no further software updates will be required and so just follow these steps and so you download this file there’s a link in this PDF document that still works at least as of yesterday and you download the file expand it you connect a serial data cable to the MTS 4000 as if any computer has a serial data port any longer I had to get a USB to serial port adapter and luckily that that did work and went through and did the firmware update I had to put a new bios battery in so I had to take apart the piece of hardware itself the MTS 4000 and put a new CR 2032 battery like cut it’s the same battery that comes in many of key fobs for keyless entry systems on cars anyway the good news is that all of you out there that have a bricked MTS 4000 that has expired software you can download this for free at least as of yesterday and upgrade that the MTS 4000 to a 4100 but the date on this update is 2010 and that is the last update that I can find on the Internet and so I thought well in all fairness since I’m going to be going to be shooting a video on how to use this vibration analyzer I’m going to call V tronics who has been bought out by bosch automotive diagnostics and talked to them just to make sure that I’ve got everything that I’m supposed to have I first checked on their website and I could to my surprise I couldn’t find anything on the MTS 4000 or the MTS 4100 analyzer nothing at all and I thought well that’s kind of strange I kept searching on the internet and I found on the GM dealer equipment website buried in a deep deep menu you can apparently still buy the MTS 4100 NVH analyzer for thirty one hundred and eighty three dollars oh if you want the driveline balance kit it’s an additional what is that five hundred and sixty-five dollars and the sensors are three hundred and fifty five dollars each I thought wow okay so it’s still available somebody’s got to be supporting this and it claims that it’ll plug into GM vehicles and read the VIN number and Rita engine rpm and everything the one the firmware that I downloaded from for it only supports Fords and I have to assume that only through the 2010 calendar year which would probably be the early or even all of the 2011 model year vehicle so I called V Tronics themselves and went through a layer of phone options and finally got through to their technical support people and they say this tool is no longer available there’s no support for it there’s no software downloads available for it there’s nothing available for this tool that’s discontinued so that’s that’s that but I’m still going to show you how to use it as a vibration analyzer and that along with the vibrate software package that I showed you in the last half of the Eva NVH analyzer in episode 2 you can still use this to pick up vibration frequencies and amplitudes for any vehicle out there and and I maybe I didn’t mention it in the episode two yesterday but the Eva works on any vehicle it’s not just one particular brand even though there was a Ford kid and a Chrysler kid and a couple of GM kits it doesn’t matter the vibration frequency is vibration frequency it’s not brand specific the only thing brand specific was in the automatic modes of which it tried to tell you what was wrong with the vehicle this has an automatic mode also that only works on Ford’s up through 2010 calendar year and I’m not sure how far back it goes but it it is going to have the same limitations and I recommend that you just skip that part of the the tool options in the menu and just jump right to the screen that allows us to pick up vibration frequencies and amplitude or harshness readings okay so let me open up this kit and I’ll show you what it came with and what is still usable so it’s a it’s a nice-looking package and in the in the bottom of the kit here we’ve got the NVH analyzer itself so this is the MTS 4000 but when we turn it on you’ll see and let me let me just turn it on here it has an internal battery it says V Tronics MTS 4100 vibration analyzer version four point seven zero 1013 of 2010 Ford and then press ENTER to continue so that’s the latest version of the software I could find anywhere I’m not saying that’s the only software available out there maybe there’s something available on Ford’s own website that I don’t have access to that you have to be a dealer technician to access it or somewhere else but as far as what I could find in all my searching this is the latest greatest software okay so that’s our analyzer I’m going to shut this off you have to push and hold the on/off button to shut it off so I’ll set that off to the side it did not come with a charger as far as charging the battery off of the off of a wall socket I found one that’s just simply a 12 volt 120 volts in and 12 volt 4 amp out and then I told you to reprogram the the flash software you need a USB to serial data connection adapter and it plugs in to the com1 port here on the bottom of the MTS 4100 and you have to configure your comm port on your computer so that this is com1 so that they will communicate together if you do your update it the mts 4100 did come with a cigarette lighter adapter to charge the battery and I cannot remember but it seems like it charges off at the data link connector pin 16 is constant battery power and pin 4 is ground in this compartment it says photo tachometer it has a magnetic base stand for the dial indicator I noticed they picked the highest quality Harbor Freight tool available very impressive and so I’ll just stick that in there for now I’m joking about the very impressive I’m not a Harbor Freight fan at all okay then in the in the upper portion of the kit we’ve got a box over here labeled sensors and so here is our vibration sensor it has a magnetic tip on it I’ve got a washer on there right now anytime you have an open magnet like that if you allow it to stick to something metal or ferrous or ferrous metal like steel it’ll help keep the magnet stronger longer so this has a scope lead connection that’s going to plug in to the top of the MTS 4100 there’s sensor a and sensor be very similar to the electronic vibration analyzer from yesterday episode 2 for the Eva but we’ve got up to two sensors they were three hundred fifty five dollars each this has an output for a photo tachometer and then has a strobe light output also it also has this port over here it says vehicle DLC the data link connector and what this tool was supposed to have done that I think they totally blew they didn’t do a good job with it all is in this other box here oh here so here’s the cigarette lighter adapter to charge the battery with over here we have a data link cable the j 1962 connector cable and then this wood screws in and attaches to the NVH analyzer so unlike the eva this also what am i doing wrong no brother it’s upside down this also well I’m sorry unlike the Eva this will plug in to the data link connector of the vehicle if it’s a supported brand of vehicle with the firmware like Ford within those certain model years it’ll read the VIN number and try to configure these the vibration analyzer for the year and the make and then you you still have to because the VIN number does not contain which transmission or gear ratio that you have and the transmission gear ratios and does not tell you the tire size either but this will also allow them to read excuse me the engine rpm and if you remember on the Eva from yesterday to use the vibrate software with the Eva we need an engine rpm from the tachometer or a scan tool also this reads it directly but only on some vehicles it does not support the J 2530 to earth J 2534 protocol that it needs to support to be generic to plug into any vehicle at least in this software version that I have our firmware version so this will give us engine rpm on some vehicles but for the most part it’s it’s totally useless so unless you’re working on a Ford product it it doesn’t read the VIN number or or I’m sorry it doesn’t read the engine rpm and I haven’t tested every single possible vehicle out there I have tried it on a couple of my vehicles I have a Toyota over there and I have a general motors vehicle and it did not work on either one of those even though I punched in the the VIN number so you may experience the same thing okay so also in this kit since this came with the driveline balancing option it has the photo strobe and photo tachometer there and the balancing feature that was supported by Ford owner and it has this tape adhesive tape that you put around the drive shaft that only worked on the Lincoln MKZ is my understanding and there was a kit right here that had pinion flange but it’s a bit pinion fan pinion flange balancing kit and you would has washers and screws that you would put into the pinion flange on that Lincoln MKZ other than that a regular driveline balancing wasn’t supported so that forget the driveline balancing with the MTS 4000 or 4100 unless you’ve got one I was older Lincoln MKZ s there may be some exceptions shouldn’t say it won’t work at all but for the most part the only use I see for this tool is for picking up vibration frequencies so let me get this box out of the way and we will do that so just like yesterday on episode 2 I’ve got this tire and wheel assembly right here that we know it spins up to around 3400 rpm so we’re looking at anywhere from 50 to 58 to 60 Hertz is what this gets up to 3,600 rpm would be 60 Hertz it has a vibration I’m going to take the vibration sensor that came with the kit and I’m going to hook it into sensor a input port here it’s kind of a twist lock and type sensor and then I’m gonna put the magnetic base of the sensor take the washer off I’m just going to put it over here where we had the EVAs vibration sensor from episode 2 so let me prop up the the screen here we’ll get this turned on and I’ll show you how to use this along with the vibrate software that I showed you in episode 2 to diagnose the source of vibration problems on vehicles ok so let me get to where I can read the the screen here by the way the screen contrast is adjustable if you push and hold the shift key and then click the up or down arrow keys it changes the screen contrast it’s the exact same screen that the GM tech 2 used so I’m trying to make sure no it’s still let me zoom in a little bit I want to make sure you can read this let me change the contrast just a little bit here there we go okay you can see that that’s good grief come on maybe right there that look readable I believe so okay so it it’s this is just our opening screen it says press enter and here on the the main menu the first option of which we’ve got let me explain the keys here we’ve got keys numbered 1 through 5 over here and 6 through 0 over here and we can use those to select these menu items so we’ve got menu items 1 through 6 and 9 and then of course down here we’ve got to enter button we have an exit button we have the on/off button we have a Help button Save button the print and run and pause and then some of these number keys have dual functions to where we can while we’re watching vibration frequencies and amplitude levels we can change the scale we can change the amplitude unit of measurement and change the unit of measure I just told you that one and a few other things but right now what I would suggest for this type of a tool is to skip the vehicle selection because that’s the one that’s going to try to read the VIN number and like I said unless you’ve got between I’d say probably I don’t know this for a fact I know it ended in 2010 with this firmware update so that’d be a 2011 Ford vehicle or it probably goes back five years or so unless you’ve got one of those vehicles let’s go to the second one which is vibration Diagnostics so I can hit the number two or I can hit the down arrow I’m just going to hit number two and we have diagnostic procedures which it’s the same as the the EBA we’re going to take this sensor we’re going to put it on the seat frame underneath the seat on a solid of a point as possible and then and we picked the seat because it’s as that’s where the drivers sitting and that’s where they’re going to be feeling the vibration that you’re supposed to diagnose and I’ve been using these vibration analyzers for over 20 years now and I have not found a vehicle that I couldn’t find the frequency of the vibration that a customer’s complaining of by putting the sensor on a solid mount on the seat seat frame the only time I’ve actually had to move the sensor around is when I was trying to figure out which corner of the vehicle it came from but the the vibration frequency will be the same it’s just the amplitude level will be different so here we have diagnostic procedures number one principal component display number two bar chart display number three frequency spectrum number four waterfall display number five and then replay saved data number seven and number zero is description of operation we’re just going to go with principal component display I could hit number two or I can hit the down arrow and hit enter and it says no vehicle has been selected press ENTER to continue with no vehicle selected that’s what we want to do or we can hit exit to go back to the previous menu so I’m going to hit enter because I don’t care that it doesn’t know what vehicle we’re connected to now this screen that we’re looking at here it tries to give us an Jenn rpm but it’s not connected it tries to give us vehicle speed it’s got a tire size that doesn’t matter it has the drive shaft speed that doesn’t matter has VIN number selection that’s not no VIN selected none of that matters what matters is right here down we’ve got the vibration frequency in Hertz along with the g-force and then it has possible source we’re gonna ignore a possible source it’s probably going to say unknown anyway but let me turn this tire electric motor on for the tire and wheel assembly and let’s see what we get now remember yesterday or I’m sorry in Episode two we had around fifty to fifty to sixty Hertz depending on the speed of this will let’s see what this let’s see what this picks up so look at that top row here we’ve got thirty four Hertz 37 39 41 43 45 46 47 and they arranged these in order of highest g-force and remember g-force is how hard it’s shaking the the amplitude level of the vibration alright we’re up to 51 Hertz with a point three five remember on the EB ester day we had 0.3 for 0.27 52 Hertz and down below that I’ve got a hundred and twenty here it’s a hundred and six Hertz 106 is double 253 Hertz that we have at 139 we’ve got 33 160 I don’t care about those lower ones it’s normally the first one on the list which is the highest amplitude level that we want to pay attention to so under possible source as no match found because the and we don’t care about that because the possible source is let me shut this motor off is the machines attempt to match the frequency and the engine rpm two different rotating components on the vehicle but that won’t work unless it’s a supported vehicle of this tool which depending on the firmware update that you’ve got is either a Dodge or a Ford product of a very specific model years but with this by going in and selecting principal component display this will work on any vehicle any truck any car heavy duty truck it doesn’t matter we’re just going to pick up the vibration frequency and we need to know the frequency and we need to know the engine rpm and then we go to the vibrate software that I showed you at the end of episode two and print a graph that compares engine rpm to vibration frequency and it will guide you through the process of isolating the source of the vibration on the vehicle now let’s turn this back on just for a moment this automatically is always saving the last 10 seconds worth of data and I can’t remember if it’s the save button or the run pause button and we’re gonna try both let me hit run pause and pause ok so right there it’s just so that’s like freezing the screen on the previous vibration analyzer the the EBA so let me hit it again to unpause it okay and then only try save saving snapshot please wait there we go so it’s saved 10 seconds worth of of information so I think the run pause is like the freeze button it’ll just freeze that particular frequency so we’ve got the 55 Hertz so if you’re rotating a vehicle by yourself and shut that motor off and you get it up to where you feel the vibration occurring with the highest intensity you can just hit that run pause button and it’ll freeze the screen and notice that the electric motor and the tire and will assembly over here have now stopped rotating and the screen is still showing us 55 Hertz and 110 and the 55 Hertz matches the rotational speed of the the tire if we take 55 and multiply that by 60 that is 3,300 rpm which is how fast this tire and wheel assembly was rotating at the time and it’s creating one shake per revolution so that’s a first-order tire speed related vibration so this tool as I mentioned in the first episode I thought was was neat when I first got it and then I was unhappy because the software expired and it wouldn’t let me even use the tool from that point so it sat for three years no actually it’s it’s that for almost five years before I discovered that you could that I could have almost two years ago updated it to make it usable again for free when boss took over of atronics and now this tool is no longer available no longer supported if you break it if you ruin a sense or anything you’re out of luck so a neat tool if you’ve got one laying around you can still use it for vibration diagnosis with the vibrate software that runs on your PC but be very careful with it because like I said here you’re out of luck if you break it or need any parts all right well that has been just a quick demonstration and discussion of the what used to be V Tronics which is now boss mts 4000 that has been updated to the mts 4100 in our next episode episode 4 we are going to look at the General Motors version of the Pico scope NVH software and then an episode 5 we’ll look at the generic version for independent shops of the Pico scope and vh software kit have a good day


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